Graveyard Musings: Glasgow Necropolis, Scotland

#151. I've always loved graveyards. I'm not sure what it is about them that draws me in, but a little while ago I decided to record my musings as I wander round them.

So that's what these Graveyard Musing episodes are, just me and my phone, in a graveyard. And sometimes I go international (but not this one) and sometimes Chris joins me (like this one).

Anyway, welcome to another Graveyard Musing from me, Claire Sandys (host of The Silent Why podcast).

In this musing, Chris (husband) and I are wandering around the Glasgow Necropolis in Scotland - a city of the dead.

So, come with us to hear our impromptu musings as we explore this fascinating place.

For the photos that accompany this episode, so you can visualise what we're talking about, visit: https://www.thesilentwhy.com/post/graveyard-musings-goes-to-glasgow

If you want to hear more episodes like this, check out:

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https://www.thesilentwhy.com/podcast/episode/7ded9daf/graveyard-musings-wolvercote-oxford-grave-of-jrr-tolkien-author-of-the-lord-of-the-rings

Graveyard Musings, Tyne Cot & Ypres, Belgium: https://www.thesilentwhy.com/podcast/episode/7f63d7e9/graveyard-musings-tyne-cot-and-ypres-belgium

Graveyard Musings, Moorslede, Belgium: https://thesilentwhy.buzzsprout.com/1799189/episodes/15249654-graveyard-musings-moorslede-belgium

Graveyard Musings: Llanfair Talhaiarn, Wales:
https://www.thesilentwhy.com/podcast/episode/7e418cc4/graveyard-musings-llanfair-talhaiarn-wales

Graveyard Musings: Gloucestershire, England (Part 1 of 3):
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Transcript

Welcome Back To Graveyard Musings

Claire 0:02

Hello, and welcome back to The Silent Why. I'm Claire and I'm back with another Graveyard Musings episode. I'm the host of the podcast, editor of the podcast, blog writer, social media manager, Herman Maker, you name it, I do it. And if you don't know what the Herman is, check out www.thehermancompany.com for more on those cute little grief buddies. Now, if you're new to us, this is a podcast that's exploring all kinds of loss and grief and whether it's possible for us to find hope in any kind of grief that we might face. For you faithful followers who have been around for a while, or for those of you that love to start a new podcast with episode one, you might remember that I've done a few episodes over the years called Graveyard Musings. This is because I'm a great lover of graveyards. I love being in them, and one day I want to be permanently in one. One day, not yet. I thoroughly enjoy wandering around, reading the names and the dates on the headstones and piecing together the stories of people that they are there to remember. I love the way it shows us the spanning of time and how nothing lasts forever. It just brings a perspective that I really enjoy being a part of. They fascinate me. So while I was doing this at our local graveyard a few years ago, I thought I'd record some of my thoughts and make them into an episode or episodes because I actually put those together in a three-part series. Then a while later, I took graveyard musings on the road and we went international. And I did an extended episode from Belgium where I visited the world's largest cemetery for Commonwealth soldiers in Time Cod. I did another one with Chris the following year in a different graveyard in Belgium, Moorslede. Then I did one in Wales, in a place that I cannot pronounce. Then I did one in Oxford recently, where we visited JRR Tolkien's grave. And now I'm back again with Chris, and we have some chat for you from a very special graveyard that we saw in Scotland. The Glasgow necropolis. We weren't planning to do any recording for this one, but once we got there, we were so blown away with it, we just had to share it with you. So enjoy our musings as Chris and I wander around the Glasgow necropolis. And we also left a very small, very unexpected part of us among the graves in this one.

First Impressions Of The Necropolis

Chris 2:05

The soft noise of train on grass.

Claire 2:09

We're back. Hot on the hills of the last one. We are in another graveyard.

Chris 2:14

This was this is unexpected.

Claire 2:16

Yes, this is unexpected. We weren't planning to do this at all. Well, not the last one, actually, to be fair, we weren't planning to do that, but a lot of people said to us while we were staying in Glasgow, you've got to go to the necropolis. So we're like, okay, don't really know what that is. I think it's a graveyard on a hill. Not sure. So we did. We walked for about 30 minutes, I suppose, to get here from where we were staying. And uh yes, it was worth the walk.

Chris 2:39

Absolutely incredible.

Claire 2:40

On the way up here, I heard a guy behind me talking, he was talking about uh necrophilia, and he was like, Oh, the word neck, it must mean like dead. They were trying to work out what it meant. So necropolis. So we were like, so I said to you, I was like, Oh yes, that must be like what that means, and then I was like, we can work this out. Like you get metropolis, which is like a city, so this must be like a city of the dead, and then we googled it to find out, and what did it say? Exactly in inverted commas? City of the dead, city of the dead, and oh my word, this is exactly what I would describe it as.

Chris 3:12

I've never seen anything like it.

Claire 3:13

If you imagine that you're at a normal graveyard, but you're an ant and you're just wandering around amongst the graveyards, that's a little bit what it feels like here. The graves are on average, well, you're next to one now that what's that, 12 to 15 feet tall.

Chris 3:28

Well that must be 15 feet easily.

Claire 3:30

And they average maybe seven, eight feet tall, most of these graves. I've never seen anything like this.

Chris 3:35

They are huge, some of them the size of a house. Yes, and some of them are little houses. Very different designs, very different designs. I mean, we'll get into the names and that, but before we do that as well, most unexpected, it's sunny. It is sunny, and it's quite mild in temperature, and I'm dressed for winter with a hat on and a scarf, and yeah, feeling like I've I've overdressed for this time. And what's making me smile as well is the way you keep trying to re-divert us because you're scared of people seeing us doing this.

Claire 4:07

It's not that I'm scared of people seeing us.

Chris 4:09

There are other tourists here.

Claire 4:10

It's more that I'm scared of them listening into what we're saying. I don't want us to come across as irreverent.

Chris 4:15

Yeah, but they'll be looking at us like they must be podcasters, they must be like professional podcasters.

Claire 4:19

Especially if you're holding your 360 camera, we look we look very techy.

Chris 4:23

Right, okay.

Claire 4:24

But yeah, this is anyway. Yeah, this is we we got here and we looked at each other and several times we said we have to do a graveyard museums, there's no way we can be here and not describe what this is like. And again, I've taken loads of photos, so if you want to see what we're talking about and the size of these things, then go and have a look on the link in the podcast show notes and you will see what we're talking about. But this is yeah, it's something pretty special. I mean, I have to say they're all very old graves. We're looking at 1800s, 1900s. Well, I say that I've stood next to a 1918, that kind of era. So then it's not a modern place. It's not a modern place, it's not like these people were you can I don't think you can still be buried here.

Chris 5:02

I haven't seen anything that's as I peer through what looks like 30 or 40 or 50 metres in the distance, all these monuments. I can see one in the distance there that's the tallest of the lot that must be about 40 feet high. That's where we're gonna aim for because it's gonna be a glorious view over the city, some of the city anyway.

Claire 5:22

Yeah, so this is quite uh it's a little bit of a it's not a big walk up, but it is a steepish walk up to the necropolis, so it does overlook the rest of Glasgow and further afield, even. So it's quite special in just that it's so elevated. So when you're walking towards it, you just see all these graves that are kind of going up into the sky, whereas you know, normally it's a kind of a flat area, but you can actually walk down steps on both sides of it to more graves, so it's it's in sort of four or five different areas, and it is pretty busy. I mean, there's a lot of people buried here. I mean, there's there's ones, there's graves, not graves, what are they? Are these like more tombs? They look like little houses, monuments. There's some that look like giant gates, like you'd get into a kind of a big manor house.

Chris 6:08

There's uh everything really what you don't have here that you would have in a cemetery is more order. Like these feel like they're bunched together sort of in rows, but not not like they're organised in rows. They're just like a ruins, isn't it?

Claire 6:26

There's a lot of space in between. Yeah, it is like walking in the room.

Chris 6:28

If you imagine walking through a ruins of an old castle where there's bits of walls still standing, bits that it feels a bit like that, but they're not walls, they're all monuments and tombs and gravestones.

Claire 6:41

There's a small one here that's fallen over, and that was 1883 and 1891.

Chris 6:47

We can find older than that, sure. So what's the code word by the way, in case we need to redirect because we're about to be stumble across other tourists that are enjoying the um it needs to be something related to death and graves, doesn't it, really? Okay. We're both struggling to think of a code word.

Claire 7:06

RIP.

Chris 7:08

RIP Okay, RIP's the word.

Claire 7:12

I mean look at this one.

Chris 7:14

Yeah, what's the date? Oh 1916.

Claire 7:17

The other thing I'm noticing about these is there's quite for some of them, especially the bigger ones, there's a lot of people. I don't know if well this is this is the thing, they all say to the memory of or in memory of.

Chris 7:26

Yeah, the monuments.

Claire 7:27

So are they monuments or are they graves? On top of the graves, I should have googled this before.

Chris 7:31

Well this one's got a tree growing out of it. Yes. It's that big. This is to Walter MacFarlane.

Claire 7:36

Yeah, but not but also look how many other people. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, potentially eight people in there, maybe nine.

Chris 7:44

Colonel Walter MacFarlane, as well as Jesse May, Marion Cross.

Claire 7:50

Maybe you could describe something nearby while I Google are people buried here.

Chris 7:55

Okay, I'll do that. I mean, we are up on the hill, so we've climbed, walked up out of Glasgow City Centre, and we can see, particularly because we're blessed with this incredible day. I mean, there is grey cloud around, but there is a lot of blue sky up there, and you can see miles and miles into the distance, almost 360 panorama. On the one side, we've got the dark, very large architectural, incredible sights of Glasgow, and the other side we've got more sort of suburbs industry out towards hills. I guess the Scottish Highlands are in

How Big Is This Cemetery

Chris 8:30

one particular direction. Uh, it looks a little bit stormy at times with the grey clouds and the dark buildings.

Claire 8:37

Okay, yeah, that was great, thanks. Okay, how many how many people do you think approximately are buried here?

Chris 8:47

Okay, I'll say 450.

Claire 8:51

Interesting. 50,000 people. What? That is a city of the dead. It is. And there's also 3,500 monuments. There was like potentially eight people under that one there. And most of these have got five, six, seven people. So there's about three hundred and fifty monuments, but overall fifty thousand people. It says the site serves as a city of the dead for Glasgow's influential industrialists, ship owners, and merchants from the Victorian era. It was designed to be a multi-faith burial ground.

Chris 9:25

Okay. Can you look up the oldest monument?

Claire 9:29

It's also 37 acres, if that helps. The oldest monument.

Chris 9:32

Yeah, are we wasting our time trying to find something from the 18th century? Maybe they're all 19th and 20th centuries.

Claire 9:37

Oldest R.I.P.

Chris 9:41

I mean, there really is the uh You're not even listening to my code word when I use it. You didn't start walking away, did you? No, I just started testing you out. Okay, I failed the test.

Claire 9:50

Okay, so the oldest one here is a 12-foot statue of John Knox, which is the one you were referring to earlier, which sits on a 58-foot column at the summit of the hill. This was laid, the foundation stone was laid in 1825, which predates the official opening of the cemetery in 1833.

Chris 10:09

So that's the one we're heading for.

Claire 10:10

So that is the highest point of the necropolis.

Chris 10:13

So that's twelve a 12-foot statue on top of a 58-foot.

Claire 10:17

53-foot column. Sorry, 58, you're right, 58-foot column. So you thought it was 40 foot in total.

Chris 10:22

70 foot in total.

Claire 10:24

Yeah. And that overlooks the whole city.

Chris 10:26

John Knox. John Knox. What a guy. And John Knox was some sort of Scottish I know the name.

Claire 10:33

What does it do with the Reformation?

Chris 10:36

Okay, so Christian preacher, evangelist.

Claire 10:39

Yeah, he was a Scottish minister, a reformed theologian and writer who was leader of the country's Reformation. So he was the reformer of the Church of Scotland. And we did look up earlier because we're like, is he buried there? No, he's buried in Edinburgh.

Chris 10:54

Oh really?

Claire 10:55

So there's a monument here, but he's not here himself. Although we did find something, didn't we? We found a grave that said in memory of John Knox. So we're very confused about that.

Chris 11:02

Okay, well even this one to our left now. I mean, look at the size of this thing. It's got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight columns.

Claire 11:10

And it's one man. This is just for one man.

Chris 11:12

Charles Clark McCurdy, born at Burkwood, Lanarkshire, died at Glasgow, 1890.

Claire 11:21

Right. Live recording.

Chris 11:24

Oh. There's a little peephole. No, nothing inside. Sorry for the camera. Okay, RIP.

Claire 11:39

RIP everywhere.

Chris 11:40

RIP. We officially found ourselves surrounded by the world.

Claire 11:45

I think it's safe to say that people noticed we were recording at that point. There was people everywhere. We came to a junction in the graveyard and we were people everywhere.

Chris 11:51

Sorry, people, we're podcasters. You're podcasters. We're podcasting. Very famous podcasters.

Claire 11:57

People do listen to this, people listen. We need to share with them what this necropolis is like. I mean, so at the moment we're standing between two rows of graves, and they are how far apart these graves?

Chris 12:06

Oh, it must be 34 feet.

Claire 12:08

30, 40 feet.

Chris 12:09

Yeah.

Claire 12:09

Massive grassy sections in between.

Chris 12:12

But not ordered. It's not like there's well they're all so different.

Claire 12:15

Look at them. Some are like pointy pillars and some are like actual gravestones. I mean, all still massive.

Chris 12:20

When you picture a graveyard though, you picture like a headstone and then a six or seven foot area on the ground. There's none of that. It's just all about the obelisks, the monument. There's no there's nothing on the floor.

Claire 12:34

RIP.

Chris 12:35

RIP.

A Sudden First Aid Pause

Claire 12:37

Oh no, I've not my lump. Is it bleeding?

Chris 12:40

Yes. Okay, you've knocked your lump. It's bleeding.

Claire 12:43

Can you find me a tissue in my handbag?

Chris 12:45

Okay, we're gonna pause this now.

Claire 12:48

Five minutes later, plus one old plaster from the bottom of my handbag.

Chris 12:55

Right, that was a brief interlude while we administer first aid to the bleeding forehead of Claire.

Claire 13:03

I've had a I've had a weird growth on my head that I've been treating and hoping would fall off or not get knocked off. When they get knocked off, they bleed a lot. Anyway, I happened to move my hair out of my face and I knocked the lump to start bleeding. So uh yeah, we've had some uh but I'm back. I've got a big plaster on my head.

Chris 13:19

Yes, yeah, you've got a plaster on your head, and the the growth has dropped off.

Claire 13:23

Yes, we've left it in the necropolis.

Chris 13:26

Necropolis. The city of the dead by content.

Claire 13:30

I'm so pleased that so many of our listeners know us well enough to be laughing along with us about this because it's just you can't write this stuff.

Chris 13:36

No, no.

Claire 13:37

Anyway, yeah, that's a part of me forever in the necropolis. So that's that's nice, yeah.

Chris 13:41

While we were pressing tissues against your forehead, we were talking about the fact that while there's lots of names and dates as in birth and death dates, there isn't much that actually tells you about who these people are.

Claire 13:53

No, there's no there's no quotes, there's no like I mean there's a few status things like father, mother, wife, uh son, that's about daughter, that's about as far as it goes. But other than that, there's nothing that yeah, I've seen Blessed Are the Pure in Heart on a few of them, and that's about it. There's no no quotes, no like, you know, anything about the people in general.

Names Without Stories And A Surprise Tribute

Chris 14:17

There must be something because I spot here, look at this one, okay. We're gonna wander to no the base of this monument here. This isn't the biggest, this is only what eight foot tall, this one. Yeah, but it does pay attention. There's a framed signed photo, and the photo is at first glance of Batman and Robin, but it's not.

Claire 14:38

Closer glance, you can tell it's Del Delboy and Rodney from Only Falls and Horses dressed as Batman and Robin.

Chris 14:43

But that that is the signature of David Jason, who's the actor who played Delboy in Only Falls and Horses, British television comedy.

Claire 14:50

I mean, why hasn't somebody nicked this if it's all I mean not that you should obviously, but it looks like something people would want to nab it. It's got like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, I think.

Chris 15:01

I recognise that name, Roger Roger Lloyd Pack. He played a trigger, who was it?

Claire 15:08

Oh crumbs, it must be signed by but we cannot work out. So just above it it says it does actually have something written on this grave, it says until the day break and the shadows flee away. But other than that, it's just the name of John Gilmore, John James, Christina Gladstone, and William Somerville. Position in Liverpool. I can't see any connection here with Delboy.

Chris 15:29

Delboy and Rodney. What's the name of the actor who played Rodney?

Claire 15:33

Nicholas Lindhurst.

Chris 15:34

Oh, it's his signature on there. Nick. Yes, that one there. Nick Lyndhurst.

Claire 15:40

Maybe it's a print, maybe it's not on a region. Okay. I don't know.

Chris 15:42

So now I know no idea why that monument has a signed photo of the cast of Only Fools and Horses. There doesn't appear to be any connection.

John Knox Monument And Cathedral Views

Chris 15:52

Okay, we're moving closer to this what do we say? 70 foot high monument. Look at this size. To John Knox. Although from this side we've got the button in the back of it.

Claire 16:05

And it's elevated above, like it's even higher than the other graves are anyway, so it's even taller than it.

Chris 16:10

So that is the oh, there's a lot of people.

Claire 16:13

ROP, ROP.

Chris 16:17

It's alright, people, podcasting.

Claire 16:20

Stop saying that out loud. So embarrassing.

Chris 16:23

We need a mic live light on our heads.

Claire 16:25

I'm really not very confident of this kind of stuff. How people do videos and actually do dancing and stuff in public like this for their TikTok and stuff, I've no idea.

Chris 16:31

Okay, let's keep a bit of a distance. Uh so this is the summit. It's the summit of the necropolis.

Claire 16:37

Yeah, there's a gap, I can see a gap. Follow me.

Chris 16:40

Okay.

Claire 16:40

People can just hear our lovely footsteps as we can as we walk across.

Chris 16:44

Yes.

Claire 16:49

Oh look at the size of it. And it looks out onto Glasgow Cathedral, which is just below.

Chris 16:58

Yes, someone's laid at the base of this monument that we just passed. Wait, what you're walking away from people?

Claire 17:04

Coming to a place we can see it.

Chris 17:05

Someone's laid at the base of it a wreath made of poppies, paper poppies, and also a single crutch.

Claire 17:12

I saw the crutch. I thought someone had left it there because they were walking round it, but I'm wondering if it's maybe some sort of nod to John Knox's crutch. They sound a bit similar, is that anything?

Chris 17:23

John Crutch. Right, so that's the that's Glasgow Cathedral, so we're overlooking that.

Claire 17:31

So it's bright green.

Chris 17:32

Very green.

Claire 17:33

Unfortunately, the main peak is all in scaffolding except for uh a big golden cockroach on the top, which we can just see like a wind vase coming out the top of it. But yeah, the top's in scaffolding. How do they put that scaffolding up?

Chris 17:46

I don't know.

Claire 17:47

That's incredible.

Chris 17:48

Why leave the cock uncovered?

Claire 17:52

I don't know what to say. I did notice that there's a few graves in the cathedral graveyard, but only like what is that, 20 or 30 headstones, and they're all sparsely. I feel like it would be a shame to be buried down there when you could be up here.

Chris 18:08

Do you think when they had the burial gathering that people were looking up at where we are now, this massive necropolis, like sorry, sorry about this.

Claire 18:17

Unless those graves are all earlier than 1825, and then this wouldn't even exist, it would just be a hill.

Chris 18:22

Good question.

Claire 18:24

We can also see other parts of the necropolis below us because it's on different stages. You go upstairs or ramps to get here, and there's a stage below us that we can see that's got hundreds of graves in it. They're all a bit smaller, a bit more normal size.

Chris 18:35

You can hear a bit of traffic. But yeah, what a vantage point. Glorious. So I've never seen anything like it. Then you turn back around to the Macropolis, and you've just got again this view of tall monuments, one after another after another. Oh, there's one there we didn't notice. There's a statue of a man slumped over. It's a big stone man slump almost a life-size.

Claire 19:02

Let's have a look.

Chris 19:03

Slumped over.

Claire 19:04

I've just been googling how many necropolises there are in the world, how many cities of the dead exist, because we haven't really come across or even heard of these before. Nobody really knows basically. But um there are ones in Italy, uh, there's one near the Vatican, Cairo, Turkey. Mostly maybe a European thing, I don't know.

Victorian Glasgow And The Reformation Text

Claire 19:25

I don't know if you get them outside of Europe or not. Ah, so that slumping man is Charles Tennant. Died in 1838. He must have been one of the really early ones in here then.

Chris 19:37

Erected by a few of his friends as a tribute of respect to Tennant Charles Tannant of St. Rollocks.

Claire 19:53

Okay, I'm gonna get closer just to listen to the accent of the guide who's obviously giving some people a tour and explaining who he is, which is very handy timing.

Speaker 1 20:02

Um textile plan. So yeah, okay, maybe it's not even doing well for yourself. And then by page of 13, um, he goes to work with his dad because he's got his pin ball fingers for the loose.

Speaker 2 20:16

Um, and he quickly realized that the textile got a ton of cotton and textile coming over from the Caribbean and the New World that's coming across the Atlantic into co-polute Glasgow, and they go, right, well, we need to clean it before it goes through the looms, and you know, messes that up. And there were four ways you could clean it back in the day. Number one, uh sunfield. Oh, yeah, you just put it out and go to the sun, get it. Everything's going to be incredible. Incredible, all right.

Chris 20:43

Okay, walking away again. I think um Charles Tennant has something to do with looms and textiles.

Claire 20:49

Yeah, I was picking that up.

Chris 20:51

Nice little bit of accent there, a bit of squattish.

Claire 20:55

It's my my best and only word that I can do. It sounds like genuine. And squartish.

Chris 21:00

Where's my wife gone? Okay, let's try and get closer to the uh lots of people. John Knox, try and read some of the words off the side. Fuck lots of people. You're gonna have to put your big girl pants on.

Claire 21:15

You put them on.

Chris 21:17

I think I wear your big girl pants all the time. That's why you can't find them. Right, here we go. Yeah, there's no choice. Right, the Reformation, this is so there's four sides, there's a big square base to this 70-foot monument, and all four sides must be what the four sides themselves must be ten foot by eight foot in size. Uh there's one, two, three, four, five levels of big stone, and then inscribed across all of those big areas of stone that says things like the Reformation produced a revolution in the sentiments of mankind. The what's that greatest? There's a weed in the way.

Claire 21:57

There's a big weed, greatest.

Chris 21:59

As well as the most. Beneficial that's happened since the publication of Christianity. That's interesting. Publication. In 1547, and in the city where his friend George Wishart had suffered, John Knox, surrounded with dangers, first preached the doctrines of the Reformation. In 1559, on the 24th of August, the Parliament of Scotland adopted the Confession of Faith, blah blah blah blah blah and declared popery. That's not popery, like the smelly leaves.

Claire 22:30

Like Pope.

Chris 22:31

Like Pope. Pope RY declared popery to be no longer the religion of this kingdom. Is that of the United Kingdom or Scotland?

Claire 22:41

I don't know.

Chris 22:43

I declare popery to be not welcome.

Claire 22:46

No, it's a bit 80s.

Chris 22:49

Yeah. Can be confused to be crisps.

Claire 22:52

So it says he then became the minister of Edinburgh, where he continued to his death the incorruptible guardian of our best interests. I can take oh, this is a quote. I can take God to witness he declared that I never preached in contempt of any man, and wise men will consider that a true friend cannot flatter, especially in a case that involves the salvation of the bodies and souls, not of a few persons, but of a whole realm. When laid in the grave, the regent said, There lieth he who never feared the face of man, who was often threatened with Dag?

Chris 23:29

Dag and Dagger.

Claire 23:31

Yet hath ended his day in peace and honour. Wow.

Chris 23:36

Imagine imagine living with the threat of Dag.

Claire 23:39

Dag, I know.

Chris 23:41

Goodness me. We are so fortunate we don't have the threat of Dag on us today.

Claire 23:48

Yeah, I I often be grateful for Dag.

Chris 23:53

And then we're gonna climb this little mound, I think. I think we're I think we've reached the end of this graveyard easing.

Claire 23:58

Wait, fear of dag. I've got to Google fear of dag. He just comes up with fear of dogs.

Chris 24:03

Maybe it was the fear of dogs, maybe it's a Scottish spelling of dog.

Claire 24:06

Does it say Dag? I mean it is like carved in stone. I think are we missing a letter after?

Chris 24:10

No, it's definitely fear of dag. Okay, we're climbing. We shouldn't have done that. We're climbing.

Claire 24:19

Yeah, it's definitely dag and dagger. I'll get a photo. Other people can decide between themselves what it's like.

Chris 24:25

Dag and dagger.

Claire 24:27

Maybe it's a Scottish word.

Chris 24:29

Okay, we're at the summit. We will ROP. We will end. No, don't go down. We will end things here.

Claire 24:37

Sounds very dramatic.

Chris 24:39

If you enjoy listening to the output from the sign that Y.

Claire 24:43

Just ROP.

Chris 24:44

Okay. There's lots of people around. Put your big coat pencil.

Claire 24:49

Okay, right.

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Chris 24:50

Please rate, please review this episode, this podcast on whatever platform you're listening to. It does. Why does it help?

Claire 24:58

Because then people can find us. There's some really massive grief podcasts out there that have celebrities on and everything. And I asked Chat GPT a while ago, recommend a grief podcast. And it came up with these big names. And then I typed in, why didn't you recommend sign up Y? And it said that yes, assignment Y is also another good option. I was like, Yeah, come on, I need more reviews and ratings so that even with stuff like that, if people are typing into Chat GPT, I need a grief podcast, they find us. So yeah, reviews are important, ratings are important, especially on Apple. That is where most of them, most of the kind of I think places are looking to see how how popular they are. And we can support the podcast as well. If you want to support us, if you want to help us do more episodes and keep supporting the cost, the running cost of this, which doesn't cost us money to do, we're far more likely to keep doing it if we don't have to pay for the costs of it. So that really helps us because we don't really get much money from it, so it helps to support the costs. If you want to do that, you can do that as well.

Chris 25:47

And there are a handful of people that do that you are so thankful for.

Claire 25:50

They are, they're amazing. Yes, there is there is a handful of people who are supporting this podcast to keep it going, and I am so grateful for that. And that also helps me with things like if I need to buy technology, like for example, our headphones have just bust, so I might have to buy some more headphones, and I can do that from the account that people pay into to help with the podcast. So, yes, if you'd like to give, we'd be very grateful for it. And you can do that at buymeacoffee.com slash assign up my and all these links are in the podcast show notes.

Chris 26:14

Okay, we're literally surrounded by people, so let's sign off.

Signing Off Surrounded By Visitors

Claire 26:18

Yes.

Chris 26:18

From the most fascinating, I think, would you call it graveyard? Let's just call it City of the Dead. The most fascinating visit, completely unexpected. This is gonna live with me forever. Uh spending time in the city of the dead in Glasgow.

Claire 26:32

Goodbye. Goodbye.